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Which or that?



Poohbear
Germany

Which or that?
 
Dear colleagues,

at 27 degrees I �m busy correcting our final examinations, which were held today, B1-level....

There is one item on which I �d like to ask you, natives and language experts alike, for your opinion.

In the Use of English section, there is the following sentence:

Alaskans also use the tern "Alaskan Native", _________________ (???) includes all Eskimo, Aleut and Indian people of Alaska.


The solution given in the official documents is, of course, which.

My doubt:
Is "that" also correct?

And if yes / no, why (not)?

I �d be grateful for any explanation.

Hugs
Petra

25 Jun 2010      





Kate (kkcat)
Russian Federation


Hello :)
We don �t use a comma before �that �, that�s why it�s impossible to use it here.
Hugs !!
PS And also it just doesnt sound right there if you say the sentence with �that� ;)

25 Jun 2010     



teresapr
Portugal

Since it is a NON-defining Relative Clause, that cannot be used. That could only be used  if it were a Defining one. Hope I was useful!

25 Jun 2010     



mariamit
Greece

I agree with Teresa. Non-defining ornon identifying clauses cannot use "that".

25 Jun 2010     



blunderbuster
Germany

What if it �s not looked at as a relative pronoun? What if it �s considered a compound sentence?

,(and) that includes....? Wouldn �t a "that" be possible then?


25 Jun 2010     



teresapr
Portugal

I think it �s a relative clause, which refers to "Alaskan Native" and it gives additional/further information about it.

25 Jun 2010     



mariamit
Greece

Regina,  it can �t be a compound sentence. Compound sentences contain two independent clauses joined by a coordinator. The second part is not independent. It can �t stand alone.Also it is definitely non defining because it simply adds an extra p[iece of information. It doesn �t define Alaskan Native so we are back to Teresa �a original explanation.

25 Jun 2010     



Zora
Canada

Hmm... I �d have to agree somewhat with Blunderbuster... especially since there is no "other part" to the non-defining clause!

Non-defining gives us extra info and usually goes in the middle... here we don�t really have that.

Alaskans also use the term "Alaskan Native" - **main sentence, right?** _________________ (???) includes all Eskimo, Aleut and Indian people of Alaska. - and this is the supposed clause but actually, without this sentence the main sentence is incomplete and that is not the function of a non-defining clause.

25 Jun 2010     



teresapr
Portugal

I like  Harry Potter, which is a very interesting book!- not always in the middle!

25 Jun 2010     



mariamit
Greece

Linda if as you say the main clause is incomplete, it cannot be a compound sentence. Both parts of a compound sentence can stand alone. So what else can it be if not a relative clause?

25 Jun 2010     



Zora
Canada

Well, in my opinion, it looks like a Defining Clause but it sounds weird using "that", so I am going to agree with what Kate said. "We don �t use a comma before "that""...


25 Jun 2010     

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