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myemma
Ukraine

urgent question!
 
Dear friends!  Could you be so kind to explain  some fact in grammar!
In indirect speech , can we use the  word lately or recently   . For example:
He said" I have been to Kiev  lately"  .  In what way I should  change the word lately?
 He said that he had been to Kiev........?
 
 It is known that some word are changed-  this  - that, today- that day  and so on...
 
 
Help!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  

1 Apr 2009      





eng789
Israel

I agree  ladybird_  -  they don �t change

1 Apr 2009     



goodnesses
Algeria

Hi, there!
what about using "shortly before"?

1 Apr 2009     



eng789
Israel

Shortly stays the same -  but what do you mean by "shortly before"- 
 
As in                She said," I �ll see you shortly, before the bell rings".
 
She said that she would see me shortly, before the bell rang".

1 Apr 2009     



goodnesses
Algeria

It is just a suggestions. (no idea of a rule!!)
I think it could mean before the moment the person spoke.

I agree with you that when we have "shortly" in the direct sp we can keep it since the listener in the 2 cases (D or I) would understand the same ie. shortly before the moment of speakinf or a certain point in the time.
Howvever, "lately" always refers to a short moment before or around the present time.

1 Apr 2009     



eng789
Israel

lately -  within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago

 

"I haven �t seen Steve lately."

She said that she hadn �t seen Steve lately.

1 Apr 2009     



goodnesses
Algeria

Yes, but what if she said this a long time ago (say many months/years ago) and you are reporting it today (telling a story).Personally, I would understand she told this "within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago" and not a long ago.

1 Apr 2009     



eng789
Israel

  "I haven �t seen Steve lately."  Since then a year has passed and now I am reporting to my friend what she said to me back then.
 
When I saw her last year, she told me that she hadn �t seen Steve lately.
 
I ´m SorryI don �t see a problem.





1 Apr 2009     



Zora
Canada

Or...

For - "I haven �t seen Steve lately."  and a year has passed and now you are reporting to your friend what she said to you back then.
 
When I saw her last year, she told me that she hadn �t seen Steve in a while"

In a while - takes away the sense of "now" or present time that "lately and recently" have...

1 Apr 2009     



goodnesses
Algeria

eng789
Maybe you �re right but I can"t stand "lately and recently" referring to anything but, as you say, "within the last few days or weeks, or not too long ago"

1 Apr 2009     



goodnesses
Algeria

That is it Zora, Right in time. LOL

"in a while" is much better than "shortly before.

1 Apr 2009     

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