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Grammar and Linguistics > Using the past Tense with Rather????
Using the past Tense with Rather????
Nebal
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Using the past Tense with Rather????
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Hello dear teachers,
I have a big wonder and need your wise explanations.
It happened that I was surfing the net and came across the following grammatical issue and got confused.It �s quoted.
�I would rather you did something�. This is not a past tense.
When you want somebody to do something, you can say �I�d rather you did something�: �Shall I stay here?� �I�d rather you came with us.� �Shall I tell them the news?� �No. I�d rather they didn�t know.� In this structure we use the past (came, did etc.), but the meaning is present or future, not past. Compare: � I would rather cook the dinner now. � But- I would rather you cooked the dinner now. (not �I�d rather you cook�) The negative is �I�d rather you didn�t��: � I�d rather you didn�t tell anyone what I said about English Grammar.
Guys, I need to know to what extent the pre-mentioned grammatical structure is true???? Why????
Thanks a lot!!!!!!!
Hugs,
Nebal
P.S. Sorry for including this here, but don´t want to start another thread. The following is Pinar´s answer to your birthday wishes.
"Hello my dear Friends...
I would like to say "thank you" for making my day more beautiful and meaningful.
Every year,my esl family is getting bigger and I am glad I have meet with these people.
You are the ones that make such days special.
I know that you wouldn �t miss this occasion today and that �s why I popped in. Believe me I miss you so much and I am trying to catch up as much as I can even though I am not around.)
You are always in my mind and heart.
I owe you so much for your friendship and professionality.It would be such a pity if I missed this friendship.
I am speechless now as I was last year.It was my first international birthday last year:)))
That feeling was awesome..Touching,encouraging,lovely,friendly.....
I love you all my friends.
I blew the candles for all of you and your pieces are still waiting for you.
"May all your wishes come true..." This is the only thing that I can say to these adorable people.
Thank you,thank you..
HUgs and lots of love from the bottom of my heart..
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3 Jan 2010
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anitarobi
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Hi, dear Nebal!
It �s expressing wishes using the unreal past tense. To make things more simple (I hope), when you want to express something you only wish for in English (I �d rather, I wish, if only, etc.), but it �s not real, you actually use the past tense for sth you wish for now. It �s connected to conditionals. Some languages, like Spanish, have the subjunctive to express unreal situations, wishes, etc. whereas English just moves along the timeline (it �s like travelling backwards in time - to say what you wish for now, use the past)
I wish I had more money (=but I haven �t)
She wishes she was beautiful (= but she �s not)
We wish we could come to your party (but we can �t)
examples taken from http://www.edufind.com/English/Grammar/IF10.cfm |
3 Jan 2010
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Damielle
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Dear neby, here you are Michael Swan �s explanation,
We can use would rather to say that one person would prefer another or others to do something. We use a special structure with a past tense.
would rahter + subject+past tense
I �d rather you went home now.
Tomorrow �s difficult. I �d rather you came next week.
My wife would rather we didn �t see each other anymore.
"Shall I open a window?" "i �d rather you didn �t"
A present time is sometimes used in this structure (e.g. I �d rather you go home now), but this is unusual.
To talk about past actions, a past perfect tense is possible.
I �d rather you hadn �t done that
However, it is more common to express this kind of idea with wish.
I wish you hadn �t done that
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3 Jan 2010
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JulietaVL
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Clear and good explanations, thank you all ! |
3 Jan 2010
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tahriali
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Hi Dear Colleagues; Sorry I think the notions of �tense � and �time � are a little bit confusing here are the common uses of �would rather � 1. INTERROGATIVE: (would rather + bare infinitive)
What would you rather do, eat here or eat out ?
2. NEGATIVE/ affirmative (same subject): would rather + bare infinitive
I �d rather not say anything else or I will get very angry.
I �d rather fish than hunt.
I �d rather not listen to your words
This structure is used to express preference
3. INTRODUCING A NEW SUBJECT.: would rather + simple past tense
I �d rather you went accompanied than alone.
I �d rather you didn �t come home too late.
The simple past tense, here, is used as an �unreal past �
UNREAL
PAST
(from: english.baladre.org/sedaviwebfronthadbettergrammar.htm)
The past tense
is sometimes used in English to refer to an �unreal � situation. So,
although the tense is the past, we are usually talking about the present,
e.g. in a Type 2 conditional sentence:
If an elephant
and a mouse fell in love, they would have many problems.
Although fell
is in the past tense, we are talking about a hypothetical situation
that might exist now or at any time, but we are not referring
to the past. We call this use the unreal past.
Other situations
where this occurs are:
- after other
words and expressions like �if �
(supposing, if only, what if);
- after the verb
�to wish �;
- after the expression
�I �d rather.. �
Expressions
like �if �
The following expressions
can be used to introduce hypothetical situations:
- supposing, if only, what if. They are followed by a
past tense to indicate that the condition they introduce
is unreal:
- Supposing an elephant
and a mouse fell
in love? (= but we know this is unlikely or impossible)
- What if we painted
the room purple? (= that would be very surprising)
- If only
I
had
more money. (= but I haven �t).
These expressions
can also introduce hypothetical situations in the past and then they
are followed by the past perfect.
Examples:
- If only I hadn �t
kissed the frog (= I did and it was a
mistake because he turned into a horrible prince, but I can �t change
it now.)
- What if the
elephant had
trodden on the mouse? (She didn �t, but
we can imagine the result!)
- Supposing I
had
given that man my money! (I didn �t, so
I �ve still got my money now.)
The
verb to wish
The verb to
wish is followed by an �unreal � past tense when we want to talk
about situations in the present that we are not happy about but cannot
change:
- I wish I had
more money (=but I haven �t)
- She wishes she
was
beautiful (= but she �s not)
- We wish we could
come to your party (but we can �t)
When we want to talk
about situations in the past that we are not happy about or actions that
we regret, we use the verb to wish followed by the past
perfect:
- I wish I hadn �t
said that (= but I did)
- He wishes he
hadn �t
bought the car (= but he did buy it.)
- I wish I had
taken that job in New York (= but I didn �t,
so I �m stuck in Bristol)
NOTE: When
we want to talk about situations we are not happy about and where we
want someone else to change them, we use to wish
followed by would + infinitive:
- I wish he would
stop smoking. (= I don �t like it, I want
him to change it)
- I wish you would
go away. (= I don �t want you here, I want
you to take some action)
- I wish you wouldn �t
squeeze the toothpaste from the middle!
(= I want you to change your habits.)
I �d rather
and it �s time...
These two expressions
are also followed by an unreal past. The verb is in the past tense,
but the situation is in the present.
When we want to
talk about a course of action we would prefer someone else to take,
we use I �d rather + past tense:
- I �d rather you
went
- He �d rather
you called
the police
- I �d rather you
didn �t
hunt elephants.
NOTE: the stress
can be important in these sentences, to show what our preference is:
- I �d rather
you went = not me,
- I �d rather
you went = don �t stay
- He �d rather
you called the police = he doesn �t want to
- He �d rather
you called the police = not the ambulance service
Similarly, when
we want to say that now is a suitable moment to do something,
either for ourselves or for someone else, we use it �s time + past
tense:
- It �s (high)
time I went.
- It �s time you
paid
that bill.
- Don �t you think
it �s time you had
a haircut?
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3 Jan 2010
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yanogator
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Just so you �re clear, Niacouto is correct that it isn �t the past tense. It has the same form as the past tense. What Tahriali posted is good, except where it says that these are the past tense, rather than that they have the same form as the past tense. Understanding that makes the whole question a little easier to deal with (since the situation is actually present or near future, which seems to have been the confusion at the start).
Bruce |
5 Jan 2010
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