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"th" (and other) sound difficulties
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lovinglondon
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Why do you say so????? Spaniards have difficulties as the rest of the people.....
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13 Apr 2011
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juliag
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Just remembered another common one here, "v" often gets ponnounced as "b." So "vet" sounds like "bet." |
13 Apr 2011
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tulpen25
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The Dutch have a huge problem with �th �. Also, some words with a ch. E.g reached would be pronounced rea-chid. |
13 Apr 2011
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almaz
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@stonefarm: fascinating idea to make worksheets on typical learner mistakes from a speech pathologist �s perspective. I know that advertising is frowned upon here, but if you ever get round to making those wss, could you alert me (by pm)?
Although I �m more inclined towards the position put forward in Chris �s post re EIL learners, many of my students who are aiming for Advanced and Proficiency levels specifically request correction of pronunciation errors.
@dawnmain: I �m afraid I �m with Eva ( �lovinglondon �) on this. Spanish learners have problems specific to Spanish learners, just as Japanese learners have problems specific to them. And I�d add that unvoiced �th � is not really one of them - they have the �ceceo �, remember - unless it�s part of a consonant cluster.
PS @stonefarm: there �s an interesting report on unusual Cockney-style th-fronting ( fings for things etc) among young Glaswegians nowadays (where th-debuccalisation - hink for think was more common) here.
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13 Apr 2011
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douglas
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Moravc hit the nail on the head--I couldn �t explain it better. I have the same problems she does with my German students.
I usually start my first class with "My name is Doug as in Douglas, not Duck as in Donald." |
13 Apr 2011
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dawnmain
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Lovinglondon and almaz - Ive been teaching in Spain for 16 years. Im not saying they are better or worse than other nationalities, just that they have lots of problems.
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13 Apr 2011
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stonefarm
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Thankyou so much for all of your insightful responses. I really appreciate the time and effort you �ve taken to give me such specific information on the sound errors of esl speakers in different countries . I will take the time over the next few days to reply to each of you. You may be interested in a website used by Speech Pathologists created by Caroline Bowen called "speech-language-therapy.com". She has many free articulation pictures and word lists, many of which are �minimal pairs � ( phoneme not grapheme minimal pairs) i.e error pairs. e.g. that / vat, right / light, etc. It can be a little difficult to navigate if you don �t know the technical terms for the errors but try going to:
�RESOURCES -> freebies � and then start scrolling down. I will try and make some worksheets, minimal pairs lists and remediation suggestions, as I get time, based on the information you have given me. If there is anything specific you would find of use or need to know re articulation, let me know and I �m happy to try and work with you, keeping in mind that Australian pronunciation can be a little different than some other English speaking accents. Thankyou again. |
13 Apr 2011
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ldthemagicman
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Dear Stonefarm,
My old copy of "Ship or Sheep" had pronunciation errors of English, committed by different language speakers or nationalities, in lists.
This site shows 23 common pronunciation errors of English.
This site gives non-native pronunciation of English.
This site deals with �th �.
You are probably familiar with all of these.
My experience is:
"Thy" becomes "Dy"; or "Zy".
"Thigh" becomes "Ty"; or "Sy".
"Teeth" becomes "Teet"; or "Teess".
"Teethe" becomes "Teed"; or "Teez".
I hope that this helps.
Les
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13 Apr 2011
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isabelle99
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A FUNNY EXAMPLE:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gh5xu35bAxA
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13 Apr 2011
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