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Message board > At last!! But with mixed feelings... How do you end up teaching in your school?
At last!! But with mixed feelings... How do you end up teaching in your school?
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agkk
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Dear FrenchFrog,
Congratulation! France has got a very interesting system. I want to ask something I couldn �t understand. Do you change place every year?
In Turkey, after a national exam, you are sent to a school according to your point (primary or high school). Mostly you start from a very small school in a village. You get some points each year. The points changes acording to the area you work. If the school is in a city you get less, if in a village you get more. And you can change your place according to these points. But your place will not change until you ask for it. The most points you have, the luckiest you are to work in a better place. Once you have changed the school you cannot ask to change it before 2-3 years. And if you are in a school you like very much you can work there until you get retired. But it takes time to be in a good school. I �ve been a teacher in a state school for 8 years (and I �ve changed 4 schools in this time) but I �m still not in the school that I like.
Best wishes,
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28 Jun 2009
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procei
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Good morning!!! That�s an interesting topic...
I confess I was curious about teacher �s job around the world and as nobody answer about Brazil I will try...
If you want to work at a public school you should get a degree that is according to MEC (Minist�rio da Educa��o e Cultura - Culture and Education Ministery), it means Language University. Some of fields to chose are: Portuguese, Literature, English, Spanish, French, Translation and so on. Usually people got the right to teach 2 of them.
Having this, one way is take a contest, that can be challenger or no depends of the state you want to work, and the salary differs as well. Teacher at public school can be contract by the city, state or federation. The first step is always the contest.
However if there is no teacher to work there are the �emergencies contract� . The salary of the teachers differs from city, state, kind of contract � if it is take by contest or emergencies. The �pull� that Hellen wrote happens a lot here. If you don�t know the right person, a good teacher can be replaced by a relationship. You are save when you got the right to work by taking the contest. You have 15 days free on middle of the year and 45 or 60 of holidays at the final. The middle here is on June or July depends of the state you work and the end is on December, January and February�Usually teachers don�t change schools. But as I said it can differ from state to state.
If you want to work at a private school you take your curriculum to be evaluated. Some school ask for a �teaching lesson� to be evaluated.
I started working for Rondonia state, however after 9 years I quit my contract. Politics, salary, classroom background and strike forced me. (That sounds crazy for almost the teachers) and decide to work for private schools, and language schools.
Few public and private school in Brazil make students able to communicate in another language, so we have Languages schools over Brazil. People should pay to take a course. Teacher to work at a Language school should know the language and have a good knowledge of teaching. The methods differ from Language school to Language school, the salary as well.
There are much more information about �our� system, to summarize teachers usually remain in the same school for a long time. On other hand, teachers can be send to new school every year (sometimes in the same year) depends on the way of the contract.
Some Brazilian teachers may add some more information� Brazil is very big and things in the North can be not the same in South�
p.s: Just for fun - It is Sunday and unless you are preparing lessons, why are on esl??? � It is addition!!! ESL make us be hooked on!!! |
28 Jun 2009
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procei
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Sorry for the size of the letter... I don �t know how to minimize it on the post!!! |
28 Jun 2009
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Olindalima ( F )
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Hi Froggy
I am very happy you got your place. As it was said before, pity ESL points aren �t taken into consideration. 
I wish you all the best, you deserve and you are a fabulous teacher.
Congratulations and now, rush and get some nice holidays.
olindalima
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28 Jun 2009
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manonski (f)
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This point system really makes me curious. Why does your marital status count? I �m not judging, I �m curious to know the reason behind that because we don �t have that here.
I �ve been working in the same school for over 15 years. I consider myself really lucky to have that. |
28 Jun 2009
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donapeter
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The marital status counts because you already have a family to support. In Romania it matters if the husband works or not,in case we want to change schools. If the husband doesn �t work, you get more points because you are the only financial support in the family. The same is if you live in a certain city and your family lives there,too, you get extra points.(It is about (re-)uniting the family.) All these criteria applies only for the teachers with teaching posts, not for substitute teachers.
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28 Jun 2009
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Missbrittany
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Hello, Frenchfrog! Your message made me smile, I �ve �suffered � from the irrational French system as well : after having taught 10 years in a high school near Paris, as most of us have to do, I finally managed to have enough points to get a post in Brittany, where I came from. It was in a high school, exactly what I desired, except that at the end of the year I was told we were losing a post and as I was the last to arrive, I was the one who had to leave. In that case you get a lot of points (1000) but only for the nearest school with a post! I ended up in a junior high school, not of my choosing, and with no points left, as, when you change school you lose all the points you had accumulated over the years. And after a few years there I �m still far from having a chance to move to a high school. Maybe in another 10 years...
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28 Jun 2009
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cheezels
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WOW!!!! I have to admit I never in a million years knew that countries had a system like this!
In New Zealand you go to university and get your degree. THEN when you are finished you can apply for ANY vacancy for ANY level (according to what training you have done; ie primary school or high school as they have separate training programs) in ANY town or city in the country.
You are judged by your grades, your main topics specialised in and your general "all roundedness" as a person.
Later on down the track as you build experience you can change schools when you want, with your work experience counting more than your Uni grades, you are not tied to any school. It is an open market, if the school thinks you are the best person for the job from the applicant they will hire you.
In the UK I think it is the same as I worked there for many years. If you see a vacancy at a school in an area you like, you apply... and if they like you you get called to an interview. If they like you at the interview then you will be asked to come and teach a lesson. If they like that you have a job. No restrictions, no points- just freedom to apply for year groups that you want to teach in!
I just don �t think I would be able to handle your system... it probably would have put me off becoming a teacher in the first place!
So congratulations to everyone who has found work! Can I ask WHY your countries have a system like this though? It just seems so restrictive and makes a lot of people unnecessarily stressed out!
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29 Jun 2009
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